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spineshank155
"[url=http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8440/8008617481_4b5989b787_o.jpg]Please go back to a 5th grade physics class[/url]." Also i can't stand glam metal.
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whiskeyhammer95
"@whiskeyhammer95: Heaviness was defined by Isaac Newton and is measured in Newtons. It is an absolute term not a relative term. Please go back to a 5th grade physics class." 'jokes on them, I was only pretending to be retarded'
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ClassyMusicSnob
Used to love Nu Metal as a kid, now I'm not sure which is worse; Nu metal or Glam Metal?
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Velvet_Myx
Something big and meaty, usually having a hard time being very fast due to it's heavy weight. It applies to music as well as living creatures.
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Velvet_Myx
They're heavier than most grindcore artists. [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_SqtCNhv44]This[/url] is what many grindcore bands sound like and that's not really very heavy at all.
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Velvet_Myx
Those tracks weren't really my kind of funeral doom, but they weren't that bad either. I like a bit different atmosphere.
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spineshank155
Have you tried Funeral Doom? If not, a few tracks to get you started; [track artist=Esoteric]Stygian Narcosis[/track], [track artist=Catacombs]Dead Dripping City[/track], [track artist=Colosseum]Delirium[/track], [track artist=Colosseum]Parasomnia[/track].
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Velvet_Myx
Sludge does sound rather heavy, but it's because of the doom metal element in the music. Grindcore and metallic hardcore don't sound very heavy to me. I have nothing against any of the hardcore-related genres though and I find myself listening to that kind of music sometimes.
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whiskeyhammer95
"Hardcore doesn't sound heavy at all to my ears" umm, what are grindcore, sludge and metallic hardcore?
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spineshank155
..evolved to make the overall sound heavier. And it does depend on the listener, either they haven't heard a good amount or maybe certain characteristics make it sound heavier. There was a discussion in the Judas Priest shoutbox about someone (or a group of people) critiquing Jimi Hendrix's music [url=http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/heavy-metal.html]"like listening to heavy metal falling from the sky"[/url]. In today's standards that's probably not true that Jimi Hendrix is considered metal lol. In any case metal did evolve from rock and that's a whole other discussion.
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spineshank155
Downthesun is great. I really need to get the music off the album i got onto my PC. Actually the melodic/catchy stuff is what interested me about nu metal in the beginning at least with bands like Spineshank & Dry Kill Logic, though i started off with Korn, Deftones and Slipknot. I did notice some bands like Deftones and Slipknot changing direction which started my distaste for nu metal bands (besides the hypocritical elitist mindset). But since i realized the elitist thing was stupid and plus any band changes direction, also going back to relisten to some of my fav nu metal cds helped too. But i did find many more styles of metal and i like the melodic death stuff mostly. Thrash metal and death metal are mostly aggressive styles, with heaviness though i think it's how deep and loud the music is, which in turn any metal band is considered heavy but some less heavy then others. Heavy metal, and all the older metal stuff may not be considered heavy because the sound it's subgenres...
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Velvet_Myx
[artist]Armani Death Machine[/artist] [artist]Downthesun[/artist] [artist]M.A.N[/artist] [artist]Blindfull[/artist] are examples of nu metal bands that are somewhat heavy. Though I think that heaviness doesn't really come from just musical technicalities but rather the atmosphere of the music, I still think there's at least some kind of general line about what music is heavy, but it definitely depends on the listener a lot more than anything else. I hope people wouldn't also confuse the word "heavy" with words like "high tempo" and "aggressive". They might go hand in hand in many situations, but they're still separate things.
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Velvet_Myx
Hardcore doesn't sound heavy at all to my ears, neither does thrash or death metal. This is some real heavy music: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imvmYwU1QA4
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Velvet_Myx
Nu metal contains both, heavy stuff and more melodic and catchy stuff. It's not trying to be solely heavy nor solely melodic.
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spineshank155
Also i think that anyone who doesn't find the song [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cK3NMZAUKGw]MEGITSUNE[/url] heavy should get their hearing checked out lol.
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spineshank155
Crossbreed is awesome, i have that album (with the song you linked). Haven't heard of the other 2 bands (Headplate sounds familiar though) but they sound great. I'm not sure but i think Kalmah and Equiibrium uses layered guitars (they could just be using one layer for all i know) but the guitars sound heavy in those 2 bands, at least it sounds heavy to me lol. Scar Symmetry puts more of a modern spin to melodeath (not the At the Gates or old In Flames stuff), not particularly heavy there but they use clean vocals and imo that's pretty heavy (same with Blood Stain Child) [track artist=blood stain child]Eternal[/track] but i think heaviness depends on the user. Nu metal is definitely heavy due to the guitar downtuning so there's no argument there. As for the first Reveille album, that was an ok album but Bleed The Sky is an awesome record. Shame the band didn't live long enough to release their 3rd album. I think there's some demos floating around though..
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pleymo
The metal stuff you linked are not exceptionally heavy, but it's definitely not bad. I'm not really into melodic metal stuff, but Scar Symmetry is alright. Darkspace was pretty okay too. As for the nu metal stuff, they all kick ass! I heard the first Reveille album and i wasn't really impressed, but the song you linked (apparently from the second album) was pretty damn good! Here's some more heavy nu metal stuff: http://www.last.fm/music/Stepa/Stepa/King+of+the+Fus, http://www.last.fm/music/Crossbreed/_/Seasons, http://www.last.fm/music/Headplate/_/Feel+Like+Porn
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spineshank155
Also if your not wanting to scrobble any of those tracks you could click on the youtube link at the top of the yt video.
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spineshank155
Hardcore is heavy, i like some but i haven't really dug into the genre. Those tracks/artists pleymo put up are definitely heavy as well :) I thought i'd add some as well. [track artist=Scar Symmetry]Morphogenesis[/track], [track artist=Scar Symmetry]Pitch Black Progress[/track], [track artist=Equilibrium]Nordheim[/track], [track artist=Equilibrium]Unter der Eiche[/track], [track artist=Darkspace]Dark 1.2[/track], [track artist=Kalmah]Bitter Metallic Side[/track], [track artist=Kalmah]The Groan Of Wind[/track].. well that's it for metal.. now time for nu metal stuff that i find heavy. [track artist=Spineshank]Stain[/track], [track artist=Coal Chamber]Loco[/track], [track artist=Coal Chamber]Tragedy[/track], [track artist=Dry Kill Logic]Rot[/track], [track artist=Reveille]What You Got[/track], [track artist=Machine Head]Supercharger[/track] (though it could arguably be straight thrash/groove). Since last.fm is going youtube i figured it would be better to link the actual track.
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pleymo
In my opinion, this is heavy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kAZh0WMdXA, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QktY9McMU9o, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sppw5cNR0Rk. As for nu metal, here are a few examples: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SD8WKoOmTc, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znH_0s_2c5w, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqp_n7LqXjY
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spineshank155
"..massive sound, characterized by highly amplified distortion, extended guitar solos, emphatic beats, and overall loudness. Heavy metal lyrics and performance styles are often associated with masculinity, aggression and machismo." Though there are some aspects that nu metal doesn't follow, but that's mainly the fact that nu metal is not traditional metal, nor tries to be but it still is a part of heavy metal whether people like to admit it or not. And many nu metal artists most likely are fans of traditional metal, so again it's just stupid to hate on nu metal because they don't like it. Obviously there's a fanbase for it. I find it hilarious that many metal worshippers will also worship rock or proto metal but when it comes to something new and different they're hating it. If you don't like certain music you don't have to listen to it..
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spineshank155
"Most of the elitism crap is really because they got bullied by nu metal kids at school and now desperately try to fight back through the internet." LMAO that is funny. I wonder how many of those metalheads were Slayer fans. People who get upset over certain genres existing are just lame. I can't stand Glam Metal/Rock but it's just stupid to complain about that it exists. Elitist people are just really stupid snobbish people who most likely doesn't have a life. Heaviness depends on the listener, it also depends on what those think of heaviness, but there's a few sites on the heaviest bands, like [url=http://www.nme.com/blogs/nme-blogs/the-twenty-heaviest-metal-records-of-all-time]here[/url], [url=http://www.spike.com/articles/4jgjxo/the-top-10-heaviest-bands-ever]here[/url], & [url=https://rateyourmusic.com/list/buckethead78/top_10_heaviest_metal_bands/]here[/url]. Also Nu Metal seems to share much of the aspects of [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_metal_music]Heavy Metal[/url]
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Velvet_Myx
It's not like the long ponytails of metalheads are ever going to be able to stop nu metal from existing. Nu metal, emo, hiphop, pop music in general, dance music...none of those will go away because someone hates the genre, so why waste the energy?
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Velvet_Myx
Most of the elitism crap is really because they got bullied by nu metal kids at school and now desperately try to fight back through the internet. What a bunch of losers. Anyway spineshank155 makes a good point that all artists will never sound the same.
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spineshank155
At some point i did, sort of.. but later i had realized that it was just stupid.. it's a mindless 'elitist' thing that some or many metalheads seem to enjoy. Well that and no matter what anything popular is generally going to be hated by others no matter what and it's dumb to listen to something based on it's reputation. People should listen to what they want.I never really hated nu metal and after hearing some nu metal albums i own that it's better than what people make it out to be. I meant that nu metal is an outlet from anger, frustration and mainly the inhumanity on earth (lyrically). Slipknot for an example it's mostly being fed up with all the bullshit. It's really not a whole lot lyrically different from death metal, thrash metal, ect.. except that it might not be worded so explicit or in the same fashion but it's there depending on the artist. And since people have diff tastes & some want variety can't expect every artist to sound the same or all metal to sound traditional.
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Velvet_Myx
Didn't spineshank155 used to hate on nu metal at some point? I apologize if I'm wrong.
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Velvet_Myx
Without Nu Metal, God would come down to the earth and evaporate everything. Our existence would be meaningless without Nu Metal.
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spineshank155
The fact that people still judge music is depressing. Besides Fear Factory and a few other metal bands, i will say that nu metal has opened my eyes on the way people treat one another like crap. Besides the 'life is bullshit' part, there are too many people in this world who choose to remain blind. That will be our undoing. Nu metal is about uncovering the blindness and thus opens your mind to new possibilities.
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spineshank155
You know what's great about music? It's not black and white. No person's opinion is the right opinion. Just accept that people have different tastes and there's nothing you can do about it. You'll be a happier person overall when you stop caring one iota about other people's shitty taste in music. [2]
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luchs
You know what's great about music? It's not black and white. No person's opinion is the right opinion. Just accept that people have different tastes and there's nothing you can do about it. You'll be a happier person overall when you stop caring one iota about other people's shitty taste in music.
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