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DorianVonEden
So Liv's post confirmed without further doubt that she got the boot (funny how that keeps happening to her), and strongly implied she got cuckolded too. The funny part is, the Italian word for a cuckold translates as "horned": I guess Liv got one of those lovely Viking helmets she likes so much after all…
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ultravioletfrog
It's definitely a trainwreck, and short-sighted on the band's part considering how loyal pretty much all fans are to Liv. I'm not sure what they think they'll accomplish by kicking Liv out of a band that was, for all intents and purposes, hers. I'd understand them all ditching Leaves' Eyes and focusing entirely on Atrocity, but this is like kicking Tuomas out of Nightwish or Mark out of Epica. It's just awkward.
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miserywizard03
i never thought i would live to see a band implode so dramatically. this is a PR trainwreck
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ultravioletfrog
Another message from Alex & co: https://www.facebook.com/leaveseyesofficial/photos/a.443820418900.242327.271709448900/10154188414923901/
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OceanicDream
Yeah, at least we can be sure of that. But the whole situation is just escalating on Facebook and both sides don't post anything that the fan should calm down..It's just sad, they seemed like a perfect couple on the outside, so balanced and relaxed and I met them sometimes.
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ultravioletfrog
Maybe, since Alex is out of the picture, Liv's solo albums won't have terrible production? Always a silver lining, I guess.
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DorianVonEden
You know, I feel sorry for Liv herself, especially if the rumours are true, but I would be lying if I said I'm not enjoying the hell out of her fans' mass hysteria.
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jewelia13
Supposedly Liv's father has come forwards and said Alex cheated on her with the new singer, and he fired her (Liv) because of it. Liv is now allegedly trapped in the family home and cannot leave with the children due to fear of judicial repercussions. I have no idea as to the truth of this, but whoever's running the LE page is deleting any mention of the rumour and blocking anyone who brings it up.
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DorianVonEden
@nDroae, by the time LE were formed and Liv was fired, ToT were already demoing Storm. I haven't herd what they sent Liv, but the first demos with Nell were already back to metal, so I don't think the electronica part could apply.
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DorianVonEden
vv Nothing short of the usual LK fan behaviour, if you ask me. Altough I agree that this time the whole thing seems very surreal, considering that in Theatre of Tragedy she was just the frontwoman without much (if any) writing involvment, while Leaves' Eyes were aptly assembled as her own creative outlet. The funny thing is, everybody gave Raymond the side eyes when ToT kicked out Liv, because they were together and she dumped him for Alex. But in fairness, she remained in the band for over eight years after their break up and was only fired because she was acting unprofessional. And she and Ray still remained friends even after that. Conversely, it would seem Alex kicked her out the minute there was trouble in heaven. Poor Liv, karma can be a bitch even after twenty years. And anyway, Raymond >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alex.
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nDroae
@OceanicDream I imagine the founding going one of two ways. 1) Liv tells Alex that she'd like to start her own metal band, and he says "Okay, we can just use Atrocity." 2) Alex tells Liv "Hey, female fronted symphonic metal is really popular, and ToT is playing electronica. Want to start a band?" I've always assumed Liv started the conversation. (Did I hear somewhere that it was an idea that they both had for a long time, until they eventually decided to do it?) Certainly advancing her career would be a factor, but another was having the opportunity to use topics she was passionate about in the lyrics, in her preferred style of music. She said she missed the Aegis sound and wanted to do something like that.
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ultravioletfrog
I feel bad for the new vocalist -- she's going to get eviscerated by fans for no good reason. I am displeased, however, with how Krull and co. have handled the whole thing. The band has been frustratingly silent on details, but this band is Liv's baby and if they did indeed go their separate ways it should be in her custody. (On a shallow level, Liv always strikes me as a very pleasant person and Alex... doesn't. But that's nothing more than intuition.)
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OceanicDream
@Clandestine-Ene That's the reason many people are angry about it as she has been an integral part and they replaced her as if nothing had happenend. But still people shouldn't get that low like they do in Facebook. The new singer is in a situation like Anette was..She can pull off everything, but people will not respect her. Poor her. Maybe they'll write decent music, too in future, but it will be different...Maybe change is good for the band. Still, Liv was one of the founding members.
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nDroae
I'm kinda grateful that I'm no longer the band's mouthpiece on Lastfm, since the guy who recruited me to do that (Sander) is (surprise) no longer in the band :P So they've confirmed she'll be writing the lyrics too, eh? And yeah, I've always said the two bands that couldn't get a singer change were Within Temptation and Leaves' Eyes. I didn't realize Liv didn't have legal ownership of the name (however that works). And Alex has always looked like that to me in pictures with other women, which is why I *was* surprised and impressed that he was faithful to Liv. (My admiration to Epica and Simone, who've been together for about 13.5 years despite Mark & Simone breaking up in the early days. Tarja was only with Nightwish for nine years!)
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PutteNasu
The band is getting destroyed on Facebook. Well, I guess that's what you get announcing your new singer before announcing that the previous one had left :'D It wouldn't be a real shock if we were talking about a band like Xandria, that has a habit of changing their vocalists like socks, but LE was arguably Liv's band first and foremost. The new singer is really talented and deserved a better band, but I'm slightly worried about the lyrics, since the stuff written for Enkelination is rather bad.
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nDroae
Oh, yeah, there seems to be a possibility that "her husband" in the bio might also be outdated info soon. Which would mean http://www.last.fm/group/Liv+Kristine+Krull would have an incorrect name, but in my defense, I only took over that group after the original founder abandoned it. I would have called it "Liv Kristine." And uh... the wording doesn't really make it clear, whom are you talking to?
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SubwayQueen
You kicked Liv off her band and now are pretending that nothing happened and Liv left the band by herself, this is LIE! Live is the soul of this band. Nothing will work without Liv. You're assholes, Alex just betrayed her!
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nDroae
Arright, I just did the dirty work of updating the bio. Noticed that EIGHT other ex-members needed to be added to the ex-member list, so I did that too. The twelve total ex-members are now listed at the bottom, the biggest paragraph in the bio. The bio doesn't mention any of their releases after Legend Land, feel free to update that part if you care.
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KingLycaon
I'm highly skeptical of a Leaves' Eyes without Liv, she was an integral part of this band. Plenty of bands have pulled off a vocalist switch, but this is one I'm not so sure about. However, I felt the exact same way when Roy Khan left Kamelot, and I ended up enjoying both albums they made with Tommy so I'm going to remain hopeful. And yeah, I can certainly agree that no one should be nasty to Elina - it's not her fault after all.
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DorianVonEden
I'm sending lots of hugs to Elina because, if she faces just a tenth of the shit Liv's fans threw at Nell when she joined Theatre of Tragedy after Liv was fired, she's really going to have to deal with rough times ahead.
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marcos222______
Leaves' Eyes will never be the same without Liv... The new singer is OK but she is nothing special in my opinion, just a normal opera signer.
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OceanicDream
That's the end of the band. Without Liv, it is not the same, though her successor is very talented. It's just another band now..
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