Black Sabbath

Tapani69ofBodom 说：

Goddamnit. I missed Heaven & Hell in 2010 and now I miss Black Sabbath. No fucking Ozzy and friends in Holland...

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AndreDias164 说：

ozzy and friends there you have.

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ermal1991 说：

"I think whatever riff iommi came up with, ozzy just followed it with his vocals..like iron man. " I dont think so, yea it may happened in a few songs but how about Fairies wear boots/Planet Caravan? I could name more sngs. Ozzy voice just suits, he is a good singer.

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veyita_88 说：

"Was it that Ozzy's voice suited the music, or was it that the music was written for Ozzy's voice?" I think the first.

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schism66 说：

I think whatever riff iommi came up with, ozzy just followed it with his vocals..like iron man.

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Austin_Rac 说：

Greed Sabbath.

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schism66 说：

Somemusicdude- as far as the musick written for ozzys voice, iommi has quoted several times the band would " tune down" a whole step because ozzy couldn't hit the high notes. If you listen to live at last, you can tell that its dropped tuning. Even though the sound quality is a mess.

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somemusicdude 说：

Was it that Ozzy's voice suited the music, or was it that the music was written for Ozzy's voice?

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veyita_88 说：

Being a great frontman,contributing to songwritting,the unique voice that suited well the music,energy,etc i think that he was quite important.

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veyita_88 说：

Well i said it before,his singing style was quite different,like i said,it was also an important ingredient,not as much as Iommi riffs.But the sneering voice of Ozzy was,just perfect for me,with the doomish working class style of the band.He didn´t sounded happy at all,and wasn´t as polished as most famous rock singers.Examples,the way he sings in Black Sabbath,with his famous "ohh noo",his simplicity (you know,when he didn´t had nothing to say he would just shout "oh yeah" or something like that),almost mad at times,and other things.And hardly being a great frontman is that easy,in my opinion Martin may be a better singer technicaly but is not nearly as good as a frontman Ozzy was with Sabbath.He could cheer up the audience very easily.Ozzy wasn´t a great singer,but he was just natural and the right one.

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KeIemvor 说：

Okay, so Ozzy has written lyrics, but we're talking about music. Who cares for lyrics? They aren't important to the music. "Obiously i was talking about live performances" I know (as I said, he was a great frontman), but that's not an influence on the music. A singer isn't important for a band just for being a good frontman. That's easily replacable. Songwriting isn't.

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veyita_88 说：

The song (Black Sabbath) isn´t exactly poetry excelence,but he did write at least,as far as i know (is not that i care for that stuff) one song.And yes,in case you want to say that i miss the point,with writting a song i obiously mean the lyrics,not the entire song (melodies,guitar,etc) obiously.BTW sorry for all the misspelling and shit.

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veyita_88 说：

Well i always miss don´t i? maybe i need some shooting lessons.Proof? i mean,are we in court? look for it yourself man,if i had to "lie" i could use a better one,but i will give you a clue so you may complete your puzzle.Geeze had sort of like a nightmare,remember,big black shape with eyes of fire?,well,the man read a black magic book or something like that,,then when he wake up he saw that shape,like a shadow,staring at him and he freaked out.Then he told Ozzy and Ozzy writted the lyrics.Such a common story,how odd that a Sabbath expert like you haven´t heard it. ". I wasn't talking about musical influence, I was talking about commercial success only." I don´t remember saying anything about musical influence.I said we don´t know how Sabbath would be.That includes everything,the sound of music,the success,etc.And i said that Ozzy,as a frontman,was an important member.Obiously i was talking about live performances,you know,is kind of hard to be a frontman in a vynil record.

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KeIemvor 说：

"He was an important member of the band,he contributed with songs as far as i know,for example he wrotte the song Black Sabbath" Proof? Never heard of that and surely won't believe it by word. Being the "image" of band and being the frontman etc. isn't important to the music, I'm afraid.

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KeIemvor 说：

"And i agree ,we cant´ know how Sabbath would be without Ozzy,but neither without Geezer or Ward" No, you missed the point again. I wasn't talking about musical influence, I was talking about commercial success only.

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jehf-rock 说：

Mal posso esperar pra ouvir o novo álbum deles

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veyita_88 说：

Oh well,m fault,that´s ok.Anyway i agree with schism66 they are different,but great in their own style.And you know,Rhoads only had two remarkable albums with Ozzy (his stuff with Quiet Riot wasn´t very good) he was a short lived star, while Iommi has a long carreer.In my opinion,despite how impressive Rhoads was,Tony Iommi is the king of riffs.If we are talking about great riff writers,only guitar players like Jimmy Page,Blackmore,and Clapton can be a match for him.

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Underwater171 说：

Not a guitar player for Ozzy alone, but them played together, that's what i meant. ;)

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