Would You Go As Far As "Reinventing" The Standards?

- Leonnears 说...
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- 2011年 7月 24日, 7:44
Would You Go As Far As "Reinventing" The Standards?

Hi guys, this is a weird question, but I have a project I want to work on, and I want your opinions on this.
Would you guys go as far as reinventing your tagging standards, as long as you have a nice and neat library? For example, there is a lot of ambiguity regarding using "(live)" or "[live]" in live tags, and therefore a lot of songs are tagged in different ways and it's a mess.

Personally, I would create my own tagging standards. Would you do it too? If you got together with a group of people, would you create an standarized way of tagging things?

I know it's a weird question, but I want to build a music database and I want to nail down the tagging issue without creating a messy database. I would like your opinions on this.

[quote][b][user]Leonnears[/user][/b] 说： Hi guys, this is a weird question, but I have a project I want to work on, and I want your opinions on this. Would you guys go as far as reinventing your tagging standards, as long as you have a nice and neat library? For example, there is a lot of ambiguity regarding using "(live)" or "[live]" in live tags, and therefore a lot of songs are tagged in different ways and it's a mess. Personally, I would create my own tagging standards. Would you do it too? If you got together with a group of people, would you create an standarized way of tagging things? I know it's a weird question, but I want to build a music database and I want to nail down the tagging issue without creating a messy database. I would like your opinions on this.[/quote]

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- ManDirky 说...
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- 2011年 8月 11日, 18:29
Yeah, I got my own tagging standarts.

For remixes with features I always use:

Artist A - Song Title (Remix) (Feat. Artist B)
Artist A - Song Title (Remix) (Feat. Artist B & Artist C)
Artist A - Song Title (Artist D Remix) (Feat. Artist B & Artist C)

Live-Versions:

Artist A - Song Title (live)

I always do it like this when I got no album artwork. When I got one, I copy the tagging-way from the back of my CD. And I usually do a little research on last.fm before I start to scrobble my tracks first.

[quote][b][user]ManDirky[/user][/b] 说： Yeah, I got my own tagging standarts. For remixes with features I always use: Artist A - Song Title (Remix) (Feat. Artist B) Artist A - Song Title (Remix) (Feat. Artist B & Artist C) Artist A - Song Title (Artist D Remix) (Feat. Artist B & Artist C) Live-Versions: Artist A - Song Title (live) I always do it like this when I got no album artwork. When I got one, I copy the tagging-way from the back of my CD. And I usually do a little research on last.fm before I start to scrobble my tracks first.[/quote]

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- jankuca 说...
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- 2011年 8月 18日, 18:51
It would be best if the next version of ID3 tags had fields just for versioning (ie. Title = "Song title", Version="Live")

I personally prefer square brackets. The round ones are for parts of the title such as Bloc Party – "Song For Clay (Disappear Here)"

[quote][b][user]jankuca[/user][/b] 说： It would be best if the next version of ID3 tags had fields just for versioning (ie. Title = "Song title", Version="Live") I personally prefer square brackets. The round ones are for parts of the title such as Bloc Party – "Song For Clay (Disappear Here)" [/quote]

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- Leonnears 说...
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- 2011年 12月 3日, 19:15
yeah I have seen that square brackets are better used for denoting whether a track is live or another version. I prefer that notation too.

I want to have strict coding standards for my music database, without making a mess.

Oh yeah, we can always create our own ID3 tag... Main problem is that it wouldn't be supported by players unless we explicitly asked them to.

[quote][b][user]Leonnears[/user][/b] 说： yeah I have seen that square brackets are better used for denoting whether a track is live or another version. I prefer that notation too. I want to have strict coding standards for my music database, without making a mess. Oh yeah, we can always create our own ID3 tag... Main problem is that it wouldn't be supported by players unless we explicitly asked them to.[/quote]

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- aerozol1 说...
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- 2012年 1月 2日, 4:07
Interesting... What would you to differently to the current standards that various databases have? because as far as I know, this already exists in various forms (mainly Music Brainz, and other databases, like Discogs).

unicorns

[quote][b][user]aerozol1[/user][/b] 说： Interesting... What would you to differently to the current standards that various databases have? because as far as I know, this already exists in various forms (mainly Music Brainz, and other databases, like Discogs).[/quote]

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- RRRRRicardo 说...
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- 2012年 2月 15日, 21:28
I am definatly interested in keeping my library all the same way. Wether i use [live] or (live) or when i have a (maxi)single i put the single name in the album tag with [Single] behind it because some singles have the same title.

So i keep my own standards, but everyone feels different about what should be the standard.

I actually just created a group for a standard way of tagging Featured artists:
http://www.last.fm/group/I+keep+Featured+Artists+in+a+separate+Featuring+Tag

It's about tagging the featured artist(s) in a separate tag. Not in Artist or Title.
I really would love to make this the standard so last.fm (and other services) can better use our information.
If this would be a standard tagfield, we wouldn't have the multiple artists and songtitles problem, because again with this everyone also feels different about where the featured artists should be tagged in, and i guess with the sulotion i use, everyone is happy.
If you agree please join, maybe one day we could make this a standard!

[quote][b][user]RRRRRicardo[/user][/b] 说： I am definatly interested in keeping my library all the same way. Wether i use [live] or (live) or when i have a (maxi)single i put the single name in the album tag with [Single] behind it because some singles have the same title. So i keep my own standards, but everyone feels different about what should be the standard. I actually just created a group for a standard way of tagging Featured artists: http://www.last.fm/group/I+keep+Featured+Artists+in+a+separate+Featuring+Tag It's about tagging the featured artist(s) in a separate tag. Not in Artist or Title. I really would love to make this the standard so last.fm (and other services) can better use our information. If this would be a standard tagfield, we wouldn't have the multiple artists and songtitles problem, because again with this everyone also feels different about where the featured artists should be tagged in, and i guess with the sulotion i use, everyone is happy. If you agree please join, maybe one day we could make this a standard![/quote]

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- mikeedols 说...
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- 2012年 3月 3日, 11:47
I've been thinking about this for some time now, and i agree with you, sub-data like "live", "feat." etc.. should have a separate tag
and another thing that bugs me is about albums that have 2 or more discs
i use (disc #) as a standard, but it'd be better if Last employed a solution for this, so that we wouldn't have to place the "(disc #)" on the album name just to separate it

[quote][b][user]mikeedols[/user][/b] 说： I've been thinking about this for some time now, and i agree with you, sub-data like "live", "feat." etc.. should have a separate tag and another thing that bugs me is about albums that have 2 or more discs i use (disc #) as a standard, but it'd be better if Last employed a solution for this, so that we wouldn't have to place the "(disc #)" on the album name just to separate it[/quote]

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- VolcanoColdplay 说...
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- 2012年 3月 5日, 16:17
Since there is a disc number ID3 field, I never used this "(Disc 2)" nonsense.

[quote][b][user]VolcanoColdplay[/user][/b] 说： Since there is a disc number ID3 field, I never used this "(Disc 2)" nonsense.[/quote]

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- RRRRRicardo 说...
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- 2012年 3月 8日, 21:50
Yes that's what the discnumber tagfield is for. But i understand mikeedols, Last.FM doesn't read that tag out, so it just sees it as the same album.

[quote][b][user]RRRRRicardo[/user][/b] 说： Yes that's what the discnumber tagfield is for. But i understand mikeedols, Last.FM doesn't read that tag out, so it just sees it as the same album.[/quote]

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- Veinrot 说...
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- 2012年 4月 14日, 8:53
VolcanoColdplay said:
Since there is a disc number ID3 field, I never used this "(Disc 2)" nonsense.
I don't see why you would want to scrobble it as different albums. It is the same album, just split up into (often) two pieces of plastic.

[quote][b][user]Veinrot[/user][/b] 说： [quote][b][user]VolcanoColdplay[/user][/b] said: Since there is a disc number ID3 field, I never used this "(Disc 2)" nonsense.[/quote] I don't see why you would want to scrobble it as different albums. It [b]is[/b] the same album, just split up into (often) two pieces of plastic.[/quote]

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