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Poor to Awful Re-Recordings of Hitt Songs

 
    • headey 说...
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    • 2012年 8月 21日, 20:07
    Maddieman said:
    To give you an example, we have 70 different recordings of Sam Cooke's "Chain Gang" in our database, and it took me and a colleague 2 hours to go through every one, and remove the 2-3 versions that were wrong.

    Rather than do that for every track, we are working on an automated solution which will detect and eliminate these incorrect ones.
    Thanks -that does put it in perspective rather!

    To help us understand a bit more is there any chance you could spend a minute or two to explain why each stream a label wants to upload doesn't have its own page? -I see "Chain Gang" already has 3 pages of entries on a search, with quite a few streamable. We could doubtless cope with 69 more.
    Or some way of displaying some details of the actual stream we're hearing?
    Then the listeners could tell last.fm which one sounded wrong.

    Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent.
    Ludwig Wittgenstein
    -but how boring life would be

    headey cocktail
    • headey 说...
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    • 2012年 8月 21日, 22:01
    http://www.last.fm/music/Paul+Desmond/_/Take+Five
    3:30 ensemble version streams.
    Different from preview.

    Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent.
    Ludwig Wittgenstein
    -but how boring life would be

    headey cocktail
    • [已删除用户] 说...
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    • 2012年 8月 25日, 10:22

    Wilson Pickett "In The Midnight Hour" WRONG

    Here's another example of misleading recordings. This version of "In The Midnight Hour" is LIVE. when it plays it shows the Rhino Green CD cover Very Best of. I would bet if I looked up the song & listened to the sample it would fool me & play the original studio HIT VERSION. Just one more example of many. I have to wonder how in the world this became such a mess to begin with. Now cleaning it up looks a lifelong project to repair one by one after what you mentioned earlier. I am still confused how this became worse some months ago. It reminds me of the CBS venture Play.it. I followed that from '08-it's ending in 2011. It amazes me....All the cool features on Last.fm, yet the basic foundation (The Music) can be flawed like this. Still just blows me away!

    • eringe 说...
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    • 2012年 8月 25日, 13:18
    I'm not sure if this is relevant to the problem, but instead of most songs of 倖田來未
    (for instance,
    http://www.last.fm/music/%E5%80%96%E7%94%B0%E4%BE%86%E6%9C%AA/_/life
    http://www.last.fm/music/%E5%80%96%E7%94%B0%E4%BE%86%E6%9C%AA/_/Dear+Family
    http://www.last.fm/music/%E5%80%96%E7%94%B0%E4%BE%86%E6%9C%AA/_/KAMEN+feat.%E7%9F%B3%E4%BA%95%E7%AB%9C%E4%B9%9F )
    a 30 sec. preview of this song (http://www.last.fm/music/AAA/_/Red+Soul) is always being played

    Also an instrumental version of this song (http://www.last.fm/music/John+Mayer/_/Your+Body+Is+A+Wonderland) is often played instead of the original one on the radio.

    • headey 说...
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    • 2012年 8月 30日, 15:26
    http://www.last.fm/music/Bobby+McFerrin/_/Don%27t+Worry,+Be+Happy
    stream different from preview
    stream is orchestral, classical style -see shouts

    Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent.
    Ludwig Wittgenstein
    -but how boring life would be

    headey cocktail
  • Fats Domino/Frank Sinatra

    http://www.last.fm/music/Fats+Domino/_/Blueberry+Hill
    preview is correct but
    just streamed 'How deep Is The Ocean' I think by Frank Sinatra
    How Deep Is the Ocean but a different setting from this.
    Lots of shouts on page.

    • headey 说...
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    • 2012年 8月 31日, 20:46
    http://www.last.fm/music/Henryk+G%C3%B3recki/_/Piece+in+the+Old+Style+1
    stream & preview are the 'remix' by William Orbit
    The correct version should sound like the video.
    Could the Orbit streams be put on tracks 18&19 on that album page????
    http://www.last.fm/music/William+Orbit/Pieces+in+a+Modern+Style

    Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent.
    Ludwig Wittgenstein
    -but how boring life would be

    headey cocktail
    • headey 说...
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    • 2012年 9月 2日, 20:27
    http://www.last.fm/music/Dock+Boggs/_/Danville+Girl
    stream is full of crackles.
    It mentions 10 releases so maybe the current stream could be removed in favour of another?

    http://www.last.fm/music/Jules+Massenet/_/Meditation+from+Thais
    stream different from preview.
    The headline album (which the scrobble is credited to)
    'The Complete RCA Recordings (Disc 1)' would be the Fritz-Kreeisler recording
    http://de.hello.dj/fritz-kreisler/the-complete-rca-recordings-disc-1
    but the stream is a piano version, (fine but possibly not a professional)

    http://www.last.fm/music/Max+Schultz/Max+Schultz+Plays+Coltrane/Song+for+John
    preview & streaming the John Coltrane version.

    http://www.last.fm/music/John+Coltrane/_/Lonnie%27s+Lament
    stream pos different from preview.
    UK stream was 8:45 / 8:48 not 6:15 as shown
    see
    http://www.last.fm/music/Max+Schultz/Max+Schultz+Plays+Coltrane &
    http://www.last.fm/music/Max+Schultz/Schultz%2C+Max%3A+Max+Schultz+Plays+Coltrane
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    please also check tracks on
    http://www.last.fm/forum/21713/_/630651/3
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent.
    Ludwig Wittgenstein
    -but how boring life would be

    headey cocktail
  • http://www.last.fm/music/Elton+John/_/Can+You+Feel+The+Love+Tonight
    Preview is correct, but track stream is an instrumental, piano-only, version.

    • kiteo 说...
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    • 2012年 9月 8日, 12:15

    This issue is especially pertinent with the new skip limit.

    I always thought this was lastfm's fault, uploading terrible cover versions, crap live recordings and remixes because they didn't have the original. And now we can't even skip these horrors because then we'll be blocked from listening to our radio station of choice. I know there's a tag called wrongtrackstreaming (self explanatory).

    Are you going to make a sticky thread where people can report duff tracks? There could be a problem though because occasionally live versions of tracks can be good. But easily solved by differentiating these as live recordings then people can decide if they want that version in their library too.

    Another example:http://www.last.fm/music/Taylor+Dayne/_/Tell+It+To+My+Heart
    you always get the live version, never the original - although strangely the preview IS the original.

    And another http://www.last.fm/music/John+Denver/_/Annie%27s+Song
    (I realise this is making me look like I have the worst musical taste of all time but they're not all this bad.)

  • Another one: http://www.last.fm/music/Ti%C3%ABsto/_/Traffic
    This actually plays Sunshine by Dance Nation.

    Ironically, Sunshine itself is incorrect as well:
    http://www.last.fm/music/Dance+Nation/_/Sunshine
    It plays The Weekend from Michael Gray.

    • headey 说...
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    • 2012年 9月 12日, 11:55
    http://www.last.fm/music/Leonard+Cohen/_/Suzanne
    preview sounds like LC
    stream sounds like a cover, see shouts on page
    sorry, didn't hang round long enough to check play length.

    Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent.
    Ludwig Wittgenstein
    -but how boring life would be

    headey cocktail
  • http://www.last.fm/music/Haddaway/_/What+Is+Love
    preview is correct, stream seems to be a cover.

  • http://www.last.fm/music/Pin-Occhio/_/Pinocchio
    is only a piece of the track, part of some compilation. Stream ends abruptly.

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    • 2012年 9月 14日, 0:48

    A Few More

    Just got a "Live Recording" Wilson Pickett "In The Midnight Hour". Last.fm displayed the green Rhino CD with original studio HIT versions. Very misleading. Freda Payne's "Band of Gold"/"Bring Boys Home" Incorrect versions. Not her Invictus label hits. Her hit "It's Yours to have" on ABC Dunhill IS correct. Last I heard "Young Hearts Run Free" Candi Staton was wrong. On a hopeful note..............Hugh Masekela's instrumental "Grazing in The Grass" played the other day & WAS CORRECT for the first time. Gwen McCrae's "Rockin' Chair" is incorrect. Oh....just thought of another..."When My Little Girl Is Smiling" by The Drifters USED to play the original Atlantic version...NOT ANYMORE. Bad re-recording now. Hope this small bit of info helps. Thank you for reading. Johnny

  • http://www.last.fm/music/ABBA/_/Chiquitita
    both preview and stream are a Spanish version instead of English

    • Maddieman 说...
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    • 2012年 9月 14日, 10:34
    headey said:
    To help us understand a bit more is there any chance you could spend a minute or two to explain why each stream a label wants to upload doesn't have its own page?

    We do this internally, but I don't think there's a business case for building and designing another layer of catalogue pages (i.e. Artist -> Album -> Track -> Recording). Sure, you could say "More pages = more advertising, moar money for me!!!!", but besides the stream itself, the data we have on these pages is of marginal interest to anyone except staff.

    Or some way of displaying some details of the actual stream we're hearing?
    Then the listeners could tell last.fm which one sounded wrong.

    This is a more practical idea, except that the only way to differentiate recordings (besides the audio data itself) is with an internal recording id. I can see the benefit, but it's a hard case to convince people that we should clutter up the radio page with recording id data.

    What I'd like to see is some kind of report stream feature on the radio. You click a button, and then pick a category, e.g. 'track is broken", "live recording", "remix", "karaoke", "other", and so on; and we associate those user flags with the specific recording ID. Once we collect more reliable data we can start acting on it - even if it just makes it easier to manually remove dud tracks, that would be a huge improvement.

    I can't make any promises, but I'm talking to people right now about creating some kind of playground app (in the form of a bookmarklet or browser script) that would let people do this.

    • headey 说...
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    • 2012年 9月 14日, 11:38
    OK, thanks for the update & thoughts.

    :) re 'clutter' -I suppose we must all see things in different ways; one man's clutter is another man's fascinating statistic :)
    -Maybe just a neat looking link?? But it wouldn't be much help unless it enabled us to tell you which stream is corrupt, or if it helped us to identify the version of something we wanted to purchase.
    Maddieman said:
    What I'd like to see is some kind of report stream feature on the radio. You click a button, and then pick a category, e.g. 'track is broken", "live recording", "remix", "karaoke", "other", and so on;
    +1

    Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent.
    Ludwig Wittgenstein
    -but how boring life would be

    headey cocktail
  • http://www.last.fm/music/Cirque+du+Soleil/_/Alegria
    both preview and stream are wrong (cover or wrong version)

  • Doobie Bros.

    The Doobies Marving Gaye song "Little Darlin' (I need you)" is a Live version. Not the actual studio track from the LP "Living On The Fault Line".

  • Animals

    "Don't Let Me Be Misunderstood" Animals bad remake. Here's the bad/misleading part. It visually shows the original CD/LP Cover Best of Animals Vol.1 Photo. The sound clip is the good studio version that I wanted. This is a problem all over Last.fm. Why would I want to pay for this? I am just getting this station started & I'm already seeing this in Rock area too. Good luck on making these corrections. Good weekend to all.

    • kiteo 说...
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    • 2012年 9月 16日, 17:01
  • Re: Doobie Bros.

    RetroRockRadio said:
    The Doobies Marving Gaye song "Little Darlin' (I need you)" is a Live version. Not the actual studio track from the LP "Living On The Fault Line".


    Agreed. This issue seems to be getting worse and not at all better.

    • kiteo 说...
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    • 2012年 9月 16日, 22:20
  • http://www.last.fm/music/Cirque+du+Soleil/_/Alegria

    I have listened to this 9 times now on Last.fm. The 8th time was a different singer and I didn't like it so much. Today, last.fm played it me for the 9th time and it's back to the version I am familiar with. I don't mind there being different versions out there, but suppose I'd really hated the 8th time version and banned it, and last.fm never played me the 'original' again. How many songs have I banned that in another version i would really like, because they are linked together as the same song?

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